Small Update

First, I added the now MIA at their website US News & World Report article about CIA’s child kidnapping ring known as The Finders. As it turns out, they were taking toddlers to Saudi Arabia to be diddled by members of the House of Saud who were so inclined. The article is here and the FOIA can be found over here in PDF.

Second is what is perhaps my favorite interview of all time. Jeremy Scahill interviews historian Alfred McCoy * about the fall of the US Empire, the CIA trafficking drugs and how mainstream media lied to help cover it up {and CIA continues to even though the missing paragraphs proving Gary Webb correct are available elsewhere}, among other goodies. Perhaps most timely, a rundown on how many foreign elections the United States meddled in during the last half of the 20th century. I think the number will surprise you.

Jeremy Scahill, “Donald Trump and the Coming Fall of the American Empire,” The Intercept, 22 July 2017:

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/22/donald-trump-and-the-coming-fall-of-american-empire/

Third, if you follow the Twitter and are wondering where a new piece is, I’m still collating data. Also, I prefer to know what two, three or four outcomes the enemy is hoping for before taking action so as to avoid falling into one of their traps. Suffice it to say that there’s been a LOT of crazy around these parts recently.

* Via tag you will find a vague reference to a quote by Dr. McCoy posted during my brief tenure at the University of Illinois at Chicago stay in Chicago in late 2013, early 2014 which includes photos from my visit to Dr. James C. Lin, who had the good sense to not be in his office when I came a’knockin’ to ask about his microwave and audio work with CIA and DoD and why Carlyle Group was investing in headphones to be marketed to African-Americans.

I believe the McCoy quote was, when repeated to me years ago, taken out of context. For one, there was a difference of opinion in CIA when some were hoping there was some sort of Soviet or Chinese “magic” with regards to mind control. There was not. However, despite CIA’s spotlighting the bad science portions they spent money on during MK Ultra, even finding out that, and that, for example, schizophreniclike symptoms can be induced in people with isolation and trauma alone, is useful information for a corrupt institution like CIA.

In any case, Dr. McCoy understands keenly the cyberspace and outer space issues, as you’ll read or hear in the interview. It’s just a small step to get to behavioral modification, and we’re already seeing some MSM news on “improving soldiers.”

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Auf Wiedersehen, Miss American Pie

You might find some solace in the fact that a country with a partial electorate this gullible and people in positions of power this insane and/or manipulative…

Pizzagate

…is going to get what it deserves. But the question came up regarding this prediction when I was discussing it the other night:

Travis Getty, “Here’s How the US Empire Will Devolve Into Fascism and Then Collapse — According to Science,” Raw Story, 7 December 2016:

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/heres-how-the-us-empire-will-devolve-into-fascism-and-then-collapse-according-to-science/

[a Norwegian professor at the University of Hawaii and Transcend Peace University, Johan Galtung] predicted in his 2009 book, “The Fall of the American Empire — and then What?” that the U.S. was plagued by 15 internal contradictions that would end its global power by 2020, and Galtung warned that phase of the decline would usher in a period of reactionary fascism.

American fascism would spring from its capacity for global violence, a vision of exceptionalism, a belief in an inevitable and final war between good and evil, the cult of a strong state leading that battle, and a cult of the “strong leader.”

Galtung said all of those elements presented themselves during the Bush era, but he fears fascist tendencies could sharpen under Trump as those cultists lash out in disbelief at the loss of American power.

The sociologist identified unsustainable economic, social, military and political contradictions that would eventually topple the U.S. as a world power.

“What’s going to take its place?”

What indeed?

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While a portion of this is nothing new, the point is I had not carried my thinking quite far enough. The point? There are people in government who don’t just want to cripple the federal government; they want to completely destroy it.

They want to set up Ted Cruz’s Dominionist/Seven Mountains kingdom, reflecting more Saudi Arabia than true Sharia Law, though certainly there are elements of legislating the bedroom that would fit with this nutty element’s intrusion upon what occurs between consenting adults. This while ignoring what occurs in the military between a non-consenting adult and a rapist. Since this works in the favor of multinationals who are waiting their turn to run the world, it continues and the loony tunes march toward inverted fascism and/or fascism seems inevitable. Imagine the Saudis controlling the Taliban and you get the idea with the difference being a Western spin with Jesus instead of Mohamed on the war banners.

This is because only a state–and then only a powerful one–could possibly present an obstacle to direct corporate control of the planet.

And that is largely because the intelligence community is just following orders. Nur nach Befehlen. Can you hear me now?

{Some tags are unrelated to the main point, eg., FINDERS.}

……

Jeremy Hammond Sentencing Hearing Part 3

Once we filed into the court room (the hearing got moved to a larger room in order to accommodate a larger crowd) as previously noted, we found the West Point journalism class field trip already seated. A New York Times reporter covering the story, along with a few others such as HuffPo, were seated in the media section that was complete with PCs.

We waited for a time and eventually Jeremy was brought out. He simply turned to the group seated behind him when he entered and said, “‘Sup?” This initiated some laughter on the part of his friends.

The beginning of the discussion centered around some documentation issues. The “guilt report” that was slammed on the defense a mere few days before the hearing by the prosecution contained only a few contentious issues apparently. First, it stated that Jeremy’s employer was not interested in having him back after his arrest. This was apparently not the case. Second, it stated that his family was non-responsive to the government’s requests for information. This is a typical ploy, I take it, when family of the accused do not volunarily help the injustice railroad to run over their kin without the intervention of things like law, lawyers, due process, etc. The arrogance of the United States Government is perhaps the only thing we actually can agree that they excel at any longer, unless it is also how to make a large number of people so angry at us as a country that we cannot ever again expect domestic tranquility, an end to perpetual war, or for reason and truth to ever again raise their heads in this land of the lost. This is the country that Dick Cheney and Barack Obama want.

The next piece was due to legal action from the New York Times. There were several redactions to the public version of the record and they, due to some strange illness no doubt, I base this assumption on the Gray Lady’s allergic reaction to the truth in recent years, wanted to see what was written under the black Sharpie. As we will see, it was the URLs and corresponding names of the countries that Jeremy Hammond and Hector Monsegur aka “Sabu” hacked for the FBI.

Once the redaction situation was done with, the attorney for the Times left his place and the hearing proper began. This is also the first but not last place where it gets a little weird. The beginning of the defense’s case for leniency started with a reference to climate change and a speech given by Brad Werner. During Q&A, he was asked what could stop it. He said only resistance could. Literally, a top climate change scientist is saying that only dissent, ranging from protest to sabotage, against nonstop corporate destruction of the ozone layer will save the world. Why is this weird for me? Read this fiction piece and note when it was written:

“Like A Mother’s Eye”.

I had no contact whatever with his attorneys apart from sending in my letter to the judge asking for leniency. At this point, I didn’t even know if my letter got submitted because I never heard back from them. (I learned later that it was included. For some excerpts of letters from Ellsberg, Italian journalist Stefania Maurizi and others, see this link). This is far from the first time that such a strange coincidence has occurred. Fairly recently an author joked that I must have been looking at his unpublished book. I’ve already pointed out the bizarre similarities in sense of humor and interest in government dirty tricks and lies with Barrett Brown and the donation to Wikileaks that coincided with Bradley/Chelsea Manning’s timeline (not to mention dating ‘Eva’ for several months before I knew about ‘Chelsea’). You might wonder why all of this, if it isn’t coincidence…why? Seems like someone is trying to convince somebody that there’s more going on than it appears and that it is possible to manipulate events. Doesn’t that seem possible?

The next phase of the defense relied on explaining what Stratfor was up to (violating the civil rights and access to the courts of American and other citizens on behalf of various corporate entities while simulataneously working for the Obama administration). This, too, being a victim of COINTELPRO type activities on the part of the US government and its private partners made for a closer to home issue than I expected. The legal questions generally seemed to center around the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA), an outdated law that is so broadly worded that violating the terms of a end-user licence agreement and many other things users do on a daily basis without even realizing it, can be considered violating the CFAA.

They also pointed out that murderers, sometimes murderers who killed over a dozen people, received lighter sentences than Hammond was facing. They left out that pedophiles frequently do as well, most likely due to not wanting to offend the US government’s proclivities toward kidnapping children and sending them off to places like Saudi Arabia.

This notion coincides with what every NYPD detective I ever spoke to said about the FBI: that the police could not keep criminals in prison because they were all FBI informants. Literally, the crime rate in NYC (and one must therefore assume, other major cities as well) was due to the FBI wanting to know things and then doing absolutely jack-squat-s— with the information in terms of shutting anything down. The exceptions, of course, anything that tries to give the 99% a livable wage and anything that tries to prevent ecological disaster. When it comes to stopping such villainy, the FBI is the world’s greatest.

Another Rampage

Minnesota Shooter Blames Noisy Cars, “Fake Plates” (Mobile Version)

And yet again we have signs that mefloquine or something similar may be in use against people on US soil by NATO as part of a larger campaign to crack down on anything, everything and everyone. Causes sensory stimuli to seem bigger (ergo, the cars are “noisier”) as well as schizophrenic-like symptoms. It should be noted that mefloquine does not in itself cause violence. See the tag for more on that.

There has been so much other news I’m not going to link to it all. These two in particular I find interesting.

Attorney General Holder and others, in what sounds suspiciously like tortured English, state that drones can only be used to kill US citizens who are engaged “in combat” against the US. Of course what that means is not explained.

In what could very well be the answer, DoD is stating that “cyber threats” are bigger problems than conventional terrorism.

By writing this blog, am I “in combat” against the United States in the eyes of these traitorous pricks? I didn’t sign up for fascism, a military overthrow of my government, thank you very much. It’s treason not to speak out about it.

That’s generally all. Watched a film, a French-Canadian thing called Tall Man. While on the surface it might remind one of the CIA’s Finders program, used to kidnap children and send them off to places like Saudi Arabia in order to keep the depraved and powerful happy, it is in actuality a neoliberal conspiracy behind what happens in the film.

But then that’s how it always goes, isn’t it? French, American, and even Russian revolutions all stemmed from overreaching powers. Radicalism begets radicalism nearly every time.

That is all.

Halloween Hackings of the Third Kind

“It’s the same old theme as nineteen-sixteen.”

I could, I suppose talk about the coming UFO invasion, about being abducted and detained indefinitely, probably to be experimented upon. That would fit the season.

Or, I could go on about ghouls capturing children for the nefarious pleasures of their masters. That’s certainly terrifying.

Then there’s the fact that we haven’t seem to have caught a realworld Freddie Krueger in years. In fact, I think, only one since the inception of the American Stasi in 2004 and 2005. No, Jason Vorheeves has found a new home. He and Michael Myers are doing what they do–to you and yours–on your nickel. Believe me, once you’ve spent enough time on the wrong side of the intel community, you realize that you are at the mercy of sadistic, homicidal maniacs.

You have a better explanation? The funding for mental health has taken a nosedive. It’s not as though they are all in hospitals, being drugged and behaving themselves. No, they just exploring different avenues of “fun” as directed. How hard would it have been to find them given unprecedented levels of surveillance?

And then there are the ones who aren’t the professional sadists, killers, merely the “pod people”, the sock puppets. They are running around causing mayhem so current and former spooks and soldiers and the politicians they contribute to can continue stealing all those tax dollars while simultaneously making certain that people in their newfound tax bracket and above don’t have to pay for it.

Who knows where they will strike next?

But even that isn’t as scary as what they can do to you… Make you do to someone else.

And ’tis the season for the sensational. And zombies are all the craze. So here goes.

It starts with animals, preferably our close cousins. It ends with bedtime for Bonzo, naturally, and a few off-color jokes about shooting monkeys, because some people, y’know, they don’t need no stinkin’ Constitution.

Then it “spreads” to human subjects. Rumor has it there are at least eight cases. The inevitable cover-up blames so-called bath salts, but science doesn’t lie when the tests come up negative. Then they move to marijuana, and though I am not an advocate, also reject Reefer Madness as being anything but propaganda. Eat all of your Cheetos? Yes. Eat your face? Not likely.

No. That’s someone continuing the old Ewan Cameron/Sydney Gottlieb (you can think of them as the Doctors Frankstein) of trying to answer that question, “What does this button do?” (The real reason is of course that it’s fun and has the implicit approval of all involved).

So it goes on. Faces were chewed. Couple it with all sorts of other doomsday scenarios (see the Fauxpoclaypse tag for more, some portion of which I grant you is probably fancy and yet on someone’s wish list) and, hell, you could probably turn most people Mormon.

And They’ll be willing to allow you to round up anyone and everyone you don’t like, just to make the fear go away. It’s like torture that way, easy to make people do what you want. Path of least resistance is always give in to the bullies. Just ask anyone, because pretty much everyone has and will continue to do so. That’s not even behavioral modification, that’s just human nature. “If I kiss their asses hard enough, they’ll let me and mine alone.” After all, if God had intended for us to get along, he’d have come down and said so. He’s clearly too busy hiding in an undisclosed location.

I’d like to say that the idea of using neuroscience to mimic the old zombie stuff was my idea, but of course this is covered in Neuropath, though Bakker included the use of wires to make it so. He can be forgiven, I suppose, for not realizing that all that’s needed is the electronics and drugs to make it work. And, of course, even the legends have some basis in fact. And that means the ghouls must find out if it’s possible.

All that talk about implants people do… Not necessary. We were born with the only implant required. Just add wireless data of sufficient strength and accuracy to overcome the low-level internal stuff, add some chemicals to throw off the logic circuits, and you’ve got instant flesh-eating cannibals.

Face it. You are the zombie. You’ve always been the real target anyway:

This concept of guerilla warfare as a political war turns Psychological Operations into the factor that determines the results. The target, then, are the minds of the population, the entire population: Our troops, the enemy troops, and the civil population.

–CIA Guerrilla Warfare Manual

Bon apetit!

Finders, Weepers and Just Losers {Updated}

Recently ran across this little gem {old US News article gone, wayback link: https://web.archive.org/web/
20091224133708/http://www.
usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/931227/
archive_016338.htm
} that serves so many good purposes that I will probably miss a few. This is regarding the so-called Finders case. Essentially, local police in Florida caught a couple of men with several children ages 2 to 7 who did not belong to them. They traced part of the trail back and got some help from Customs. The kids had been told they were being taken to a school for smart kids in Mexico. By the time the Florida cops and Customs got knee deep into the investigation, they were told by DC police to butt out, that FBI had likewise been told to butt out, that it was “a CIA internal matter.”

Investigation closed by DCPD

One additional note, the investigators found “evidence” of Satan worship materials. (See the FOIA document here).

One of the more fun aspects of the article, how they admit that they have one (just one!) tenuous connection to the CIA and then, later in the article point out that there are two more:

The only connection, according to the CIA: A firm that provided computer training to CIA officers also employed several members of the Finders.

None of this fazes Pettie. He says the CIA’s interest in the Finders may stem from the fact that his late wife once worked for the agency and that his son worked for a CIA proprietary firm, Air America.

I posted on this subject at least twice before, but that was in the midst of some pretty heavy remote torture and most likely still some effects of substances unknown or electronic devices that effect the brain in such a way as to emulate the effects of some drug or other. What I refer to as having one’s brain “pinged.”

What was really happening? In order to understand that, you have to understand a few other things first.

The Royal House of Saud, the monarchy in Saudi Arabia, is made up of (this is a 90s or early 00s number) 1,700 members. Collectively, they own everything in the country. If a Saudi citizen builds a business, he had better hope he has the protection of the right member, that he does not become too successful, or, that somehow he manages to stay under the radar of predatory members of the house. They can and will just come take the business. The man will still, of course, retain whatever debt he had, but the Saudi Prince who descended on him will take the profits and, most likely, run it in the ground while squeezing as much money from it as he can. (If you want to understand part of the anger in that part of the world, the part that doesn’t directly have to do with the US, there you go).

As you might imagine, there’s going to be some competition among members of the house. Backstabbing.

And there are going to be deals made. Arranged marriages, sometimes among relatives.

Between the environment and inbreeding, not to mention the absolute power and the immense wealth that oil has brought, you are going to get some very depraved and disturbed individuals. Some will be pedophiles, some sociopaths, some both.

And so that, ladies and gents, is where the good ol’ USA, that shining beacon of freedom and goodness, sent kids in order to maintain the favor of a social structure that is the antithesis of what we claim to stand for. Showering the Saudis with gifts, protection, and taking the blame (they systematically teach in schools there that the US is the cause of the average Saudi’s problems) all go into maintaining the close relationship that, for example, is leading to us going to war with Iran (though there are other reasons for that as well, some having to do with Neocon philosophy, some to do with rampant, unbridled war profiteering which now includes as I’ve said many times intelligence and security as well as those things we always thought of as defense). There have also at times been reports or adult slaves (the occasional model gets invited and doesn’t get to leave when she wants, gets raped, and then given enough hush money and, one can just imagine as if one were right there, vague death threats from that piece-of-s*** agency that should have gone the way of the FBN back in the 70s. And so the most horrifying thing your average conservative WASP can imagine this side of re-enacting Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner, that is “filthy Muslims raping our white women”, never reaches his ears).

But this was not a one-time deal. No. This was just the time they got caught and as is typical, nothing was done except to change how it was done. That’s right. I’m saying this went on for decades. It would not at all surprise me if it is still going on.

Right. Back to the Satan-worship stuff. This is what is known as a red herring. They leave that around, mix it up, throw out some more rumors, and, voila!, a few or several years later, a conspiracy theory is born. It also tends to scare the investigators and throw them off-track. Religious purposes as opposed to more obvious and powerful financial ones.

This conspiracy theory is that all US politicians are pedophiles (apparently it’s a prereq) and that that is where the kids were going. Really, there’s a whole slew of books dedicated to this preposterous idea. And you can imagine why they chose it, why they developed it the way they did. If all of them are involved, then there’s no sense in trying to bring it to their attention. And, obviously, it would tend to undermine the credibility of anyone who proposed something that ridiculous.

But in reality, blaming the CIA for it also only goes so far. This was about keeping gasoline under $5 a gallon. And is that really so different than sending our troops off, some to die, for the same reason? How many five years olds are worth that? How many people would turn a blind eye to it just over that alone? How many do?

This is capitalism as its worst. It’s not that some other system would manage to avoid this or similar “egg breakage”, but rather that there just isn’t anything to oppose these kinds of decisions.

It’s no different than Eric Holder making the claim that America will be better off sweeping the entire torture situation under the rug. Of course, that just means it will happen again. As long as it isn’t on his watch, who cares? So much for change.

And, really, I wouldn’t so much mind any of it if they didn’t at the same time pretend that this is a nation of laws. It isn’t. If they didn’t pretend they were doing anything to help the average citizen. They aren’t, not really. If they didn’t pretend they gave a damn about the truth. They don’t. If they didn’t pretend to have some kind of hotline to Heaven when they daily destroy and kill their so-called brethren, also supposedly loved by the same God they daily lay some claim to, it might be tolerable. If they had, in truth, the slightest f***ing dirt-clod of the moral high ground, it might be tolerable.

If they didn’t pretend that they haven’t already given up, decided to leave it all for someone else to clean up, just like their predecessors… At least we’d all know where we stand.

22 April 2014 update:

US News archive link at top is dead. See article at this mirror copy:

sott.net/article/242819-Through-a-Glass-Very-Darkly-Pedophile-Networks-and-the-CIA

Also note this Vahey person:

Before teaching in Nicaragua, Dunlap says he taught in London, England; Caracas, Venezuela; Jakarta, Indonesia; Dhahran, Saudi Arabia; Athens, Greece; Ahwaz and Tehran, Iran; Madrid, Spain, and Beirut, Lebanon.

Dunlap says records show he taught at the Saudi Aramco School in Saudi Arabia from 1980-1992. Saudi Aramco has a division located in the Houston area and Dunlap says children from Texas may have attended that school while their parents worked in Saudi Arabia.

Dead CIA asset?

Vahey killed himself in Luverne, Minnesota, on March 21, two days after a federal court judge in Houston approved a search warrant for a thumb drive Vahey owned that allegedly contained images depicting child sexual assault. It’s unclear why Vahey was in Minnesota.

Ah, yes, Minnesota. Spook retirement capital.

There’s a timeline of where he taught. FBI is looking for help IDing victims.

That is until it becomes an “internal CIA matter.” Again.

Click2Houston, “Houston FBI: One of worst child sex abuse cases ever,” Jace Larson , 22 April 2014:

click2houston.com/houston-fbi-one-of-worst-child-sex-abuse-cases-ever/2559818

More on the Carl Clark Interview and Insect Robots

I wrote that I doubted the DNA-acquiring motive for organized stalking / covert harassment mentioned by Carl Clark. However, I just recalled the quote in this post from the 1977 MK/ULTRA Senate hearings, the testimony of Admiral Stansfield Turner. Along with controlling the behavior of animals and humans, there was something in the research innocuously referred to as “blood grouping.” I don’t know what that means nor if that lends any credence to the collection of blood referred to by Clark.

Additionally, in the same FFCHS newsletter, there was a photo and accompanying text of some sort of mosquitolike insect. The sender believed that the insect was a robotic surveillance “drone.”

I disagree. Please don’t be offended. I have in the past gotten many things wrong myself. It’s been further experience, trial and error, comparing my hypotheses to the facts, news items and historical record that makes me look for and find better ones that develop into theories (theory is actually a working “reality”, an answer. When someone says, “It’s just a theory,” they are using the word wrong and they actually mean, “It’s just a hypothesis.” A theory has facts backing it up. A working hypothesis is a guess based on observation and guessing. Testing it is what makes hypothesis become theory. Facts are part of a theory. When a theory becomes “fact” it’s means most serious people have given up on trying to disprove it).

There are several reasons why I doubt that the insect in question is a manufactured device and not a living organism.

First, I have seen that same species before as long as many years ago and even noted its metallic or robotic appearance. That is likely dear old Mother Nature having it develop that way as some sort of camouflage. It resembles some species of algae or whatever lichen * that grows on tree bark. That may have allowed it to survive by hiding there from birds.

Next, it’s not that I think that our intel and military sectors aren’t interested in that sort of things. It’s not even that I don’t think they don’t have something like it! That is entirely possible, if not now, a few or ten years from now. (For the larger, failed, older version of that, web search ACOUSTIC KITTY).

No. It’s that I don’t think they would ever allow one to be “captured” much less photographed. If you had managed to do so, you would quickly find one of two or three scenarios descending upon you. FBI would come take it, intimidate you, threaten you with prosecution if you so much as mentioned it to your dog, and slap you with a gag order. (This is the “kind”, legal way we used to do things). A more likely scenario is a very large distraction (your house on fire, a call about a deathly ill relative, etc.) followed by electronic interference with your brain and the loss of the captured thingie.

Now, as to why the person who submitted the photo and text thought that it was a robot beyond what I’ve already covered.

First, as far as I can tell, all of the TIs I’ve heard from, at least at some point, have been drugged. This may mean a microorganism that interferes with brain chemistry. This may mean a particular use or set of uses of the EMF or infrasound stuff I’ve been blogging about. Or it may mean plain old fashioned slipping something in your food or drink. (See the link to the book at right, THE CIA MANUAL OF TRICKERY AND DECEPTION for how this was done fifty years ago. Imagine how it’s been improved since).

These drugs or other methods interfere with critical thinking (see item 1 from the 1955 MK/Ultra memo) and can also make you more paranoid. Therefore, you “feel” like you are being watched. Of course you actually are, either by surveillance / harassment teams or satellite or both, but not a robotic looking insect that you managed to capture.

Additionally, and I don’t know if this was the case or not with the submitters, the insect may have been acting strangely.

Much of what we are talking about, brainhacking, is about altering perception. If the insect kept buzzing you, they may well have convinced the insect that whatever it is attracts it (scent most likely) is present wherever it is that they want it to fly to. See again the Sony patent at right. That thing is about projecting sensory data so that the brain is tricked into thinking it sees, hears, smells, etc. whatever it is that they want it to. If they can do it to humans, why not bugs and pets? See the many animal control tagged posts on this blog.

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So, that’s what I think that is. It is important to correct, in my opinion, because a primary thing we must do is to reverse their primary protection: discrediting us. The second is closely-related: disinformation.

This is about human greed, radicalism, and sociopathy. It is not about space aliens, supernatural beings, or ancient secret societies. Those are straw men, scapegoats. Unfightable, unarrestable because they don’t exist and/or are not involved.

To see a particularly nasty example of CIA depravity and how they tried to pin child sex pimping for the House of Saud on satanists, see THE FINDERS FOIA request response. They shut down the investigation of four, five, and six year old American children being kidnapped in order to protect their operation and relationship with big oil’s number one ally. No aliens, UFOs, black magic required, just a different kind of human sacrifice.

* Thanks voice “Not-Pete”!